What have you just bought?

[MomijiTMO]

um. some pc parts. 3770k cpu, giga mboard, 670 vcard and some other stuff ..

Picssssssss

Let's see you cable hiding. I am so bad at it.

[ihasmario]

Q: What does the 3770K in Intel's IB i7 stand for?
A: Idle temperature

[dingostolemyipod]

Q: What does the 3770K in Intel's IB i7 stand for?
A: Idle temperature

oh no you didn'

[ledge]

um. some pc parts. 3770k cpu, giga mboard, 670 vcard and some other stuff ..

Picssssssss

Let's see you cable hiding. I am so bad at it.

heh. yeah hopefully ill get it all tidy ... its a nice case, so its got plenty of room at the back
to hide it all away ... rubber grommeted holes aid with the management.

ill still find a way to fark it all up

[grev]

Q: What does the 3770K in Intel's IB i7 stand for?
A: Idle temperature

hahaha Intel hating AMD fanboy? :P

[dingostolemyipod]

hahaha Intel hating AMD fanboy? :P

Doubt it. My guess is an intel hating intel fanboi.

With the Ivy Bridge product line, intel changed the thermal interface between the die and heat-spreader(IHS). They went from using a solder thermal interface (better) to using thermal paste (worse), and they didn't even use a very good thermal paste either.
So the ivy bridges have poorer thermal efficiency in terms of getting heat out of the chip. This is counter-balanced by the fact they produce hardly any heat comparitively to begin with, but as soon as you start to do more than a mild overclock and generate more heat from the CPU, temps will skyrocket prematurely compared to Sandy Bridge chips.
It's a bit ironic that intel is pinching pennies considering they charge premo prices for all of their cpus, and the fact they make purpose designed overclocking chips in the "K" series, and charge another premium on top for the privilege, yet the design inhibits the ability to overclock.
The other issue with using thermal paste is it degrades over time, and unlike your thermal paste on top of the cpu, you cant change it after 1 or 2 years.

It's pretty piss poor form for intel, but it's unlikely to bother anyone other than the enthusiasts, but the only reason they can get away with it is because the current gen AMD chips perform pretty badly - although still pretty good for a value build. Even so I still happily bought a 3570K, i only plan to do a mild overclock anyway, which is all i ever do, i dont see the need to consume extra power and generate extra heat, although this week a bit of extra heat would be welcome, lol.

[MomijiTMO]

I was set on going with Bulldozer based on what I read from XtremeSystems.org. They were going on about how awesome their ES's were blah blah blah. Turned out to be a huge shill.

I've still got my i920 and 275SLI rig as my gaming pc. I think I'll have to retire it in the next year or so. It's power hungry.

[BusinessEvolution]

I was set on going with Bulldozer based on what I read from XtremeSystems.org. They were going on about how awesome their ES's were blah blah blah. Turned out to be a huge shill.

I've still got my i920 and 275SLI rig as my gaming pc. I think I'll have to retire it in the next year or so. It's power hungry.

i7 920 was a godly chip in terms of money for value, so much in fact that with a bit of overclocking it murdered the rest of the product line's stock speeds. Intel learnt their lesson and has been make a lot of anti-overclocking design choices since. The K series made overclocking easy, however its near impossible on non-'k' series processors.

The bulldozer chips by design are great, however at the foundry side there were huge problems with yield, production costs, and production amounts. As a result they needed to take a huge cut in performance in order to release an economically viable product.

hahaha Intel hating AMD fanboy? :P

With the Ivy Bridge product line, intel changed the thermal interface between the die and heat-spreader(IHS). They went from using a solder thermal interface (better) to using thermal paste (worse), and they didn't even use a very good thermal paste either.

The other issue with using thermal paste is it degrades over time, and unlike your thermal paste on top of the cpu, you cant change it after 1 or 2 years.

If they used the right thermal paste, it won't have a problem for decades. If they used a cheap solutions then there could be some issues. If anything, its another anti-overclocking move by intel. I'm still getting great performance from my i7 920 overclocked to 3.4ghz and running cool. The max temp i can run it, is 3.8ghz but it gets really hot.

[MomijiTMO]

I actually took my CPU back to stock lol. It was extra power hungry and well the game I play the most is CS:S which is so fricken old, it would run on my fridge's computer.

[grev]

Doubt it. My guess is an intel hating intel fanboi.

With the Ivy Bridge product line, intel changed the thermal interface between the die and heat-spreader(IHS). They went from using a solder thermal interface (better) to using thermal paste (worse), and they didn't even use a very good thermal paste either.
So the ivy bridges have poorer thermal efficiency in terms of getting heat out of the chip. This is counter-balanced by the fact they produce hardly any heat comparitively to begin with, but as soon as you start to do more than a mild overclock and generate more heat from the CPU, temps will skyrocket prematurely compared to Sandy Bridge chips.
It's a bit ironic that intel is pinching pennies considering they charge premo prices for all of their cpus, and the fact they make purpose designed overclocking chips in the "K" series, and charge another premium on top for the privilege, yet the design inhibits the ability to overclock.
The other issue with using thermal paste is it degrades over time, and unlike your thermal paste on top of the cpu, you cant change it after 1 or 2 years.

It's pretty piss poor form for intel, but it's unlikely to bother anyone other than the enthusiasts, but the only reason they can get away with it is because the current gen AMD chips perform pretty badly - although still pretty good for a value build. Even so I still happily bought a 3570K, i only plan to do a mild overclock anyway, which is all i ever do, i dont see the need to consume extra power and generate extra heat, although this week a bit of extra heat would be welcome, lol.

Tick Tock Tick Tock, I think Intel doesn't give a damn at the moment.

This along with the fact that the retina display Macbook Pro cannot be upgraded, pisses me off because I was going to get it...

[MomijiTMO]

What would you upgrade anyway? What's the point in upgrading a laptop?

Pending tax return, I will probably get the new retina MacBook. I'd love it more in a 13" screen but what can you do. It's nice and thin.

[Riverback]

It helps putting in an SSD on an old laptop just to give it a bit of a boost.

I'd love to try one of the new Lenovo's but really cant find a model that has everything I want.

[grev]

What would you upgrade anyway? What's the point in upgrading a laptop?

Pending tax return, I will probably get the new retina MacBook. I'd love it more in a 13" screen but what can you do. It's nice and thin.

The RAM and the HDD are non-upgradeable. Those are the things to upgrade.

[MomijiTMO]

It has-
8Gb Ram (16Gb option).
256Gb ssd (768Gb option)

Order yours with the bigger options if you want to future proof it. I can't be bothered. I remember paying high $200s for my Vertex 2 60Gb ssd a few years ago. Picked up a Vertex 4 128Gb for $140 the other week. It's faster and bigger.

[BusinessEvolution]

Once you have enough ram, and good processor, the component that ages the fastest and is the hardest to replace for laptops is the graphics chip. Its also the component that they are the least specific about when selling laptops in stores. Most people thing that have 1gig of dedicated video ram is what counts when its one of most standard specs least likely to indicate longevity. Currently the top end AMD chips are dominating the top end on laptops for value and intel integrated solutions dominating the bottom end. Even so most laptops you will buy retail contain a low end nvidia chip whose performance barely beats the high end intel integrated offerings but is hotter and more expensive .

As for Ivy Bridge, there was a greater improvement on the efficiency of low end components compared to the gains at the top end. I don't know if this indicates that tocks will only give efficiency gains from now on, and you are better off waiting for a tick for performance gains.